Hi, my name is Pete Gazzaro.

I'm a welcome you today to the Emotionally Healthy Leader Podcast.

And today is a part two of why great leaders are great grievers, why great leaders are

great grievers and why this is so true.

Now again, in our culture, going downward is seen as a bad thing, and we really

have a secular spirituality of ascending going up. You know, the stock market, if it's going down,

it's bad. If you're in school and your grades are going down, that's bad. If your retirement

funds and 401 or 401k or 403B is going down, that's bad. If your retirement funds in 401 or 401k or 403B is going down, that's bad.

If your credit rate is going down, that's bad. You know, if you're losing people in your church

or ministry or customers, it's bad. If your popularity is going down, especially if you're in the

arts or music or politics, that's considered

bad. But for Jesus, going down is actually good. His spirituality is one of dissent, and actually

it's the only way to real transformation. And there are certain biblical truths that can only be

locked from the inside. Things like prayer and Sabbath and scripture. Well, the same thing with

why great leaders are great grievers also can only be understood from the inside because

we have to actually live it. And again, in a culture, our culture, which is so into fixing

and arranging and controlling and upwardly mobile,

this issue of grief is very difficult for us to get a handle on. So just think with me for all

the great leaders in Scripture who are great grievers. Jesus, for one, Isaiah, the prophet Isaiah, I mean, just what he went through ends up eventually getting sought in two.

I mean, Jeremiah, great griever, called a man of sorrows.

Moses, my goodness, you know, 40 years exiled in Midian, you know, living in the desert. I think of the Apostle Peter,

you know, great failure in, my goodness, it took grief to break him. I mean, he would have been

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