I was never thinking about running for office and like so many women the only reason why I began to think about it is because I was asked

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Gotta get paid, so gotta get paid.

The show from WNYC about the things we think about a lot.

Have you ever even actually killed anybody?

And need to talk about more.

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I'm Anna Sale.

Jennifer Granholm was the governor of Michigan from 2003 to 2011.

She was the first woman to hold the highest office in her state.

But she was raised in California, where I talked to her in our studio. Her parents moved the family here

from Canada. They'd met as bank tellers but after they immigrated her mother

stayed at home with the kids while her dad went on to become a bank president.

However, my mother, who's a deep feminist, you know, she wanted me to do whatever it was that I wanted

to do.

Don't let those guys get you down.

That was what she would say on one side.

And on the other side, she would say,

okay, if you're in a competition with a boy,

let the boy win.

Really?

Yeah, however I won any of my races with that advice.

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