there's a tendency to be like, well, of course they would have a mind control rate, because that's

kind of the most dramatic thing to be fighting. Whereas I think we should be asking, like,

in a world where that stuff doesn't even work, are there still reasons not to want what they're

doing?

Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us. I'm your host, Harris Marks, and this week's guest is Tim Wong.

Tim is a writer, researcher, and former global public policy lead for artificial intelligence

and machine learning at Google.

His new book, Subprime Attention Crisis, Advertising,

and the time bomb at the heart of the internet forms the core of our conversation. And we discuss

how even though we see ads everywhere we look online, that doesn't mean that the business model

at the core of digital advertising is sound or will stick around into the future. The financialization

of digital ad markets has created a real threat to their future, but also an opportunity for

us to imagine a better future for the internet. Tech Won't Save Us is part of the Harbinger Media

Network, a new group of left-wing podcasts out of Canada. Another of the great shows on the network

is Alberta Advantage, which delves into the deeply conservative politics of Canada's leading

oil province and provides a really great analysis not only of what's happening in that province,

but nationally in Canada. As always, if you like this conversation, please leave a five-star

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Tim, welcome to Tech Won't Save Us. Yeah, thanks for having me on,

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