They both give Silicon Valley the same warning that Silicon Valley must start to collaborate with the Pentagon and the U.S. military.

Otherwise, China will win.

Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, part of the Harbinger Media Network.

I'm your host, Paris Marx, and today I'm joined by J.S. Tan.

J.S. is a former tech worker and a writer who said pieces at foreign policy, Jacobin,

made in China, and The Guardian.

He's also an editor at Lausanne and started collective actions in tech, which chronicles the modern day tech labor movement. In our conversation today, we talk about the so-called new Cold War

between the U.S. and China and how that focuses on technology and the major tech companies

of both of these major countries, but also how the framing around these conflicts often miss

what's actually happening between these countries, these companies, and the workers on both sides.

As you might have heard on the last episode, Tech Won't Save Us is part of the

Harbinger Media Network, which is a new group of left-wing podcasts, presented by passage,

a left-wing publication in Canada. And this month, to introduce people to some of the other

shows on the network, we are giving a little introduction at the beginning of each show of one

of the other podcasts on the network.

So today, if you're interested in movies and TV, Kino Lefter is a really cool socialist podcast hosted by Evan McDonald out of Edmonton, Alberta, that has great guests on to look deeper

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Enjoy the conversation.

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