Why Future-Oriented Pharmacists Prescribe Deadlifts with Dr. Jae Koonce
Abel James Show
Abel James Bascom
4.7 • 2.6K Ratings
🗓️ 26 February 2026
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
If you've ever experienced a rock bottom moment, you know it can be a powerful catalyst to take radical ownership over your life and your results.
This weeks guest suggests that your health and physique is your “proof of work”—visible, undeniable evidence of your daily routines and values.
Today, we're here with Dr. Jae Koonce, PharmD, certified personal trainer, Bitcoiner, and founder of Proof of Work Fitness.
Jae is one of a kind—he's as comfortable leading advanced mobility drills in a pharmacy picnic as he is whipping up squirrel stew deep in the woods.
Along those lines, what's the weirdest thing you've ever eaten?
Mine is probably guinea pig in Peru (scrumptious), random fried crickets and bugs in Thailand (not recommended), or maybe the toughest old bear meat on earth from the backwoods in New Hampshire (not for the faint of heart).
But when it comes to hunting and cooking wild game, this week's guest might just teach you how to survive the zombie apocalypse in style.
In this episode, you'll discover:
- How to design your life to show up day after day, especially when things get tough
- How to treat health as a compounding investment and dollar-cost-average your workouts by taking one small, consistent step at a time
- Why community is a superpower and surrounding yourself with goal-driven people accelerates transformation
- Why tiny habits create an enormous change in your trajectory
- And much more...
Find Dr. Jae Koonce and his work at:
- Website: https://www.proofofwork.fit/
- Proof of Work Fitness App on apple and android
- Instagram: @proofofworkfitness
- LinkedIn: @pharmacistjeremiahkoonce
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hey there, I'm Abel James, and thanks so much for joining us on the show. |
| 0:04.1 | Why do we always wait until it's almost too late to take our health seriously? |
| 0:08.3 | If you've ever experienced a rock-bottom moment, you know that it can be a powerful catalyst |
| 0:13.2 | to take radical ownership over your results and your life in general. |
| 0:17.5 | But what does your physique say about the choices you make? |
| 0:22.5 | This week's guest suggests that your health and physique is your proof of work, visible, undeniable evidence of your daily |
| 0:28.0 | routines and values. Today we're here with Dr. Jay Kuntz, doctor of pharmacy certified personal |
| 0:34.0 | trainer, Bitcoins, and founder of proof of work fitness. Jay is one of a kind. |
| 0:39.3 | He's as comfortable leading advanced mobility drills at a pharmacy picnic as he is whipping up squirrel stew deep in the woods. |
| 0:46.3 | My kind of dude. Along those lines, what's the weirdest thing that you've ever eaten? I'd say mine probably is guinea pig in Peru, which was actually scrumptious, |
| 0:55.1 | or maybe some random crickets that we ate when we were in Thailand, which I definitely |
| 0:59.3 | do not recommend. Even the stray dogs wouldn't come close to those things. But another weird one |
| 1:04.2 | was growing up in New Hampshire, sometimes people would go in the woods behind our property |
| 1:08.1 | and often without our permission, shoot an animal. And one time |
| 1:12.6 | there was this old, old bear that they shot and they left some meat at our front door. And my dad |
| 1:19.6 | is a great cook. He tried everything to make that tender again. But it was just the toughest old stuff. |
| 1:25.5 | He tried marinating it for days, just pounding on it, shredding it up. |
| 1:29.4 | Nothing worked. |
| 1:30.2 | The bear meat actually tasted okay, but it was impossible to chew through. |
| 1:34.5 | Just too strong for our wee human teeth. |
| 1:37.7 | But anyway, we are leading a lot of fun challenges right now in our brand new club called Club Wild and uh i just want to kind of catch you up on some of the things that are going on there for the past decade and change almost 15 years we've been helping people from around the world transform their health and their lives with real food and cutting edge science so if you'd like to level up with fellow health nuts, |
| 2:02.7 | you don't have to go it alone and you don't have to be on social media anymore either. We've |
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