Hello, everyone. Welcome to another edition of the ThoughtWorks Technology podcast.

My name is Rebecca Parsons. I'm the chief technology officer for ThoughtWorks and one of your recurring co-hosts.

And I'm joined by my companion co-host, Ken.

Hi, my name is Ken McGrath.

I'm a principal technologist with ThoughtWorks and also one of the regular hosts.

And Ken and I are joined today by Gaia 3M, who has recently published the book entitled Full Stack Testing, and we're here to talk to her

about her journey writing the book. So welcome Guy Thry. Hello. Thanks, Rebecca, for the

introductions. Thank you, Ken. I'm very happy to join you both today on the podcast. So let's

start with some of the basics.

Writing a book is an awful lot of work.

What prompted you to actually write it in the first place?

Yeah, it definitely is Rebecca.

It's just behemoth of tasks to be done.

And like particularly, I think my experience working with the multiple clients and

and the discoveries that we have been doing with our clients made me realize that there's

a lot of scope in this field to actually be written as a book.

So, for example, I've seen clients where there have, there has been no culture of testing at

all, or there has been just a silo testing team who just went about executing some hundreds of test cases

just during the release. Some of the clients had production defects and they had to pay penalties

for their production defects and which could have been caught during a proper testing phase.

So, such kind of engagements and when we go there and we had to do enablement

and also set up the testing team from the beginning rounds up.

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