Why EVERY CEO Needs a therapist ft. Angie Richey Ph.D. | The Dept. #108
The Dept. w/ Omar El-Takrori
Omar El-Takrori
4.9 • 820 Ratings
🗓️ 19 February 2026
⏱️ 69 minutes
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Summary
In this episode of The Dept. Omar sits down with marriage and family therapist Angie Richey for one of the most vulnerable and practical conversations we’ve ever had on the podcast. Together with Amanda, they unpack how childhood experiences shape leadership, business decisions, communication patterns, money beliefs, and even physical affection in marriage. Dr. Richey breaks down the difference between coaching, therapy, and pastoral care, why CEOs and high-performers need self-awareness to avoid becoming the “cap” on their business, and how limiting beliefs formed early in life silently dictate pricing, conflict avoidance, scheduling triggers, and people-pleasing patterns. From “opposite action” as a growth tool, to breaking victim mentality, to learning secure attachment and healthy touch in marriage, this episode is a masterclass in doing the inner work so your life and business don’t bleed from unhealed places.
If you’re building something meaningful, a company, a marriage, a family, or a personal brand. This conversation will challenge you to heal what’s under the surface so you can lead from wholeness instead of autopilot.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the department. I'm so excited to be joined with my wife after over a hundred episodes. She was on the first episode. |
| 0:08.7 | She's back. That's one of my things. If you're going to start a podcast, just shoulder tap the people closest to you and then turn on some cameras and turn on some mics. And I'm so honored to be joined. I feel like this is a conversation I've wanted to have because you were one of the most fascinating |
| 0:21.5 | human beings I've ever witnessed and observed through friend and Dan Fernan and Dr. |
| 0:30.1 | Angie Richie, you've been doing marriage and family therapy for over 15 years. |
| 0:35.5 | You're the president of Life Pacific University, and you also |
| 0:39.6 | are a professor. Yes. So why would you say it's so important for a CEO or business owner to have |
| 0:45.4 | some sort of therapy going on? Because you are absolutely the cap on your business, your marriage, |
| 0:52.7 | your life. So therapy is about self-awareness, |
| 0:57.5 | healing, those limiting beliefs that all start in childhood, by the way. |
| 1:02.8 | And if you don't do that, you are the cap. |
| 1:05.4 | You are stuck at your development. |
| 1:07.5 | And let's be honest, most of our development, |
| 1:10.2 | our developmental age, is usually |
| 1:12.0 | adolescence. So if we don't get that therapy, that self-care, that professional development, |
| 1:19.4 | we will be stuck. We will never accomplish what we were meant to accomplish. And I do believe we all |
| 1:24.2 | have a destiny. I don't know about you, but I want mine. I want everything God has for me. Yeah. Would there be some cautions, like, because I don't want somebody to be, all right, cool, I'm getting a therapist, check the box. What's like some red flags or how do you find a good therapist? Oh, my goodness. This is hard. This is why I am a president because I wanted to |
| 1:45.2 | build a master's program that could develop the kind of therapist that I know will make a difference. |
| 1:50.0 | Listen, you have to ask yourself, if you've been going to therapy for three years and there's not a |
| 1:55.0 | lot of movement, you better, it's like next. Next. So you, are you making progress? Are you changing? I, I love talk |
| 2:07.2 | therapy, but if talk therapy doesn't get you moving and changing, I like action. And the only way we |
| 2:13.0 | change is massive action. So a therapy session, a good one, has to be one where you make some |
| 2:18.7 | connections, awareness, but then what are you going to do different? Because what got you in the |
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