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this is recode media with peter kofka that is me happy fourth of july week for those who've been in America. And I do realize we have listeners from around the world. So happy 4th of July week to you, too. Speaking of a global audience, see what I did there. Today's episode is a check-in with former ESPN boss, John Skipper. He's got his own media company now. It's called Meadowlark. And he's got a new series of documentaries called, I'm going to bring this all the way around, it's called Sports Explains the World. And the catch is, you can't see these documentaries, not yet at least. Skipper announced he was making these things last fall, and I'm pretty sure he expected to have a deal with streamer for him by this point because streamers love documentaries, or at least they used to. But he doesn't have a deal yet, which means the only people who've seen these films so far are people who went to the Tribeca Film Festival last month. That's when I talked to Skipper, it's Sridi Khashari, who made the series for him, about how they made these movies, why they made them, and crucially, if the fact that

these things don't have a home yet tells us anything about the state of streaming in

2023. I think it does. Of course, we also talked about AI because it's 2023, and because

John Skipper was there, we talked about when and if ESPN is ever going to stream directly to consumers.

Because if you talk to John Skipper, you are legally, legally and contractually and morally obliged

to ask about that. One other note, this was recorded live, so we've made a few edits to

accommodate that, but it shouldn't impact your listening at all. Okay. Now here's me and John Skipper and Samitri Kishari.

We got stories from all over the world. We got stories from Ethiopia. We got stories from

Houston. We also wanted to experiment with form. So we have stories that are a doc narrative hybrid.

We have an animated story.

And it's just such a great way to look at the pressing issues

of our time, the pressing stories of our time

through the lens of sports.

So I've seen parts of four of these.

You're going to make 16 in total.

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