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Why Elon, Bezos and US Generals Ban PowerPoint from Meetings

Marketing School - Digital Marketing and Online Marketing Tips

Eric Siu and Neil Patel

Careers, Business, Marketing

4.6 β€’ 1.3K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 24 November 2025

⏱️ 25 minutes

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To get ad placements on premium websites, go toΒ https://discover.taboola.com/ms In this episode, Neil and Eric break down why top leaders like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and U.S. generals ban PowerPoint from critical meetings β€” and what to do instead. They unpack how six-page Amazon-style memos drive deeper thinking, when slides do make sense for all-hands or client presentations, and the hidden cost of lazy bullet-point culture. They also shift into personal branding, key-man risk, burnout, and how founders can scale beyond their own name while still using content to fuel enterprise growth. TIMESTAMPS (00:00) Why leaders ban PowerPoint (01:00) Bezos memos vs slide decks (03:30) When slides actually make sense (06:30) Six-page memos and deep work (14:50) Personal brand, burnout, and scale 𝗔𝗕𝗒𝗨𝗧 π—§π—›π—˜ π—–π—›π—”π—‘π—‘π—˜π—Ÿ Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and a Forbes Top 10 Marketer. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel FREE RESOURCES Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

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0:44.5

So, Neil, you want to know why Elon, Jeff Bezos, and U.S. generals ban PowerPoints from meetings?

0:50.6

Because they're a waste of time. You go over a useless crap that could be sent in advance, and then people can just review it.

0:57.2

And I, and, you know, I don't mean to keep rambling here, but I went through a PowerPoint presentation this morning.

1:04.1

And on the meeting, people were trying to read crap on the slide that I can read myself faster.

1:10.5

And it's taking them like 10 minutes to go over something. I'm reading in no joke, 30 seconds because it's bulleted. And I'm like, I can read this myself, move on to the next topic and I just cut them all off. Yep. Yep. So Cheryl Sandberg did this back in the day. So at Facebook, she was like, no PowerPoints. But then everyone interpreted it as no PowerPoints in the whole organization, but she wasn't saying that. She's just like, no PowerPoints in my meetings, right? Jeff basically did the same thing. He says that no PowerPoint presentation now on the S team. The S team was his best team, right? This is an email that he sent in 2004, and he ended up replacing them with the six-page memos, right? Elon doesn't like them either. So no PowerPoint meetings must focus on real-time problem-solving and not pre-baked decks. And he told all C's to stop wasting time on PowerPoint meetings. And then finally, I'll say General James Mattis, he says PowerPoint makes us stupid. Who's that? He's a U.S. General. So basically it makes us stupid. It encourages oversimplified thinking, right? So here's the thing, what we talk about. When you do a PowerPoint, it's easy for you to create it. It is harder for the other people, and it doesn't foster discussion. We end up having to wait for you to go through your PowerPoint, your stupid deck, go through all your slides. Maybe you design them nice or whatever, but it doesn't get the best horsepower out of that meeting. And that's why I think it's lazy thinking. So I love PowerPoints. I like them in different scenarios, not in a leadership team meeting. Even leadership team meetings I like them. All right. Why did you cut people off today? Go ahead. So why did I what? What was the context of your meeting this morning? What happened? Going over our software division, Ubersess, and answer the public. Okay. So what I love PowerPoints for is our PowerPoints, externally, when you and I present, we both have pretty slides. Those are designed.

2:51.8

Internally, when people present to us, they're really ugly.

2:54.7

It's just white with just text on them.

2:56.9

Sometimes images.

2:58.3

I love PowerPoints because I have my team send them to me in advance and everyone else.

3:03.9

So then we can review it all.

3:06.2

During a meeting, though, I do not care to go over the PowerPoint.

3:09.5

I care to discuss the problems and the metrics that aren't going the way we want and what we're

3:14.2

going to do to fix them and brainstorm and actually try to solve problems right than and there in real time.

3:18.8

But I like the PowerPoint for just an overview of what's happening. And I don't care if it's in a

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