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Pints With Aquinas

Why Doing Dangerous Things Is Good for the Soul (John Henry Spann) | Ep. 555

Pints With Aquinas

Matt Fradd

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.8 โ€ข 6.2K Ratings

๐Ÿ—“๏ธ 3 December 2025

โฑ๏ธ 108 minutes

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Summary

In this interview, Matt sits down with the one and only John Henry Spann for another conversation that is bound to generate some amazing comments from viewers.

The discussion touches on hunting (obviously), why men need to do dangerous things, what masculinity really is, the trouble with most spiritual retreats, living off-grid, having a hobby you can do with your kids, eating pythons (yes!!), and much more. Plus, John Henry answers questions from Locals supporters.

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Timestamps:

00:00:00 โ€“ Intro and Matt's new book
00:03:58 โ€“ John started a hunting apostolate
00:21:40 โ€“ When Matt went hunting in Africa
00:32:40 โ€“ Who was St. Hubert?
00:41:37 โ€“ Living off the grid
00:47:10 โ€“ What John thinks of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln
00:57:25 โ€“ What is John's dream hunt?
01:04:07 โ€“ Parenting
01:15:56 โ€“ Changing culture and personal identity
01:32:31 โ€“ Book recommendations
01:39:11 โ€“ Hunting trophies

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Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:09.3

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0:15.1

But then last summer for the first time, not our first time in Africa, but the first time doing it this way, we said, we're going to go to Africa, we're going to have a safari, we're going to upcharge everybody so we can bring a priest, we're going to have Holy Mass every morning, opportunities for confession throughout it, and that's it. Every single man listening just about has that desire to do something that is dangerous. We've taken sort of the American ideal, which I think is an offshoot of Protestantism, right? This pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, right? And we've tried that in this modern world. And there's a time and a place for that, right? I think it's really great to be self-sufficient in lots of ways. But pure self-sufficiency is disordered. It's not natural. You're not an island, right?

0:54.5

You're not supposed to exist by yourself.

0:56.3

The whole stoic, by your own, pull yourself up by your own bootstrapped thing, I think it's lame.

1:01.3

So you're scheduling hunts, not just in Africa, but around the country, different times of the year.

1:07.2

So if people go to, what's their website again?

1:09.2

Fraternity of St. Hubert.com.

1:16.2

Hey, everybody.

1:20.6

Before we get into today's interview, I want to tell you about my brand new book.

1:23.3

It's called Jesus, Our Refuge.

1:29.7

If you, like many people, and like all of us, to one degree or another, have been seeking refuge in things other than Jesus Christ and have just found yourself increasingly weary, then this book is for

1:36.1

you. This book is about taking Jesus seriously when he says, come to me, you who are weary and

1:42.8

burdened, and I will give you rest it's getting

1:45.9

great reviews and i know it will be a healing balm to your soul check it out jesus our refuge

1:52.9

you can get it right now on amazon thanks so john henry spain the guest that everybody loves

1:59.2

or does not love so i told you this before we came on the air on the car right over here. Like, I'm nervous for the first time because I'm actually doing like a thing. I'm here to talk about a real thing. And I haven't done that historically. And we were talking about some of the best comments ever. And there's two that stick out to me. And you let me know if you've got any others. but the first one is one guy wrote, I don't remember if this was the last one or the one before, but I listened, this is the quote, I listened for about half an hour, and these guys just kept band-rined back and forth telling inside jokes that I didn't understand, and I was driving, so I couldn't select another podcast. So I just turned off my radio and sat in silence. It's pretty good. Yep. And then the second? This was the original. This was, I don't know, five, six years ago. I was on the Raising Kids in Sodom, which I thought was a good episode. You said what we called it. Yeah, isn't that a great name? It's great name. And a guy said, I love, I love Pines for Aquinas. Matt will have these really smart theologians on, and then these dip S-H-I-T's like John Henry on. Really? Oh, I'm sorry. No, no, it seemed like a legitimate, like, compliment. I think he compared it to Joe Rogan.

3:07.8

He was like, you know, a lot of these fighters don't know anything about anything on and these smart guys who know stuff. So I took it that way. I took it as a compliment. Well, what was the classic comment was this guy looks like his one hand sandwich away from a heart attack? All right, so big shout out to one of my students. I might have said this last time I was on the air,

3:22.8

but if I did, I'll tell the story again.

3:24.0

Victor of Scorpio, right?

3:25.1

Great kid.

3:25.8

He's out of Benedicting now, killing it.

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