Welcome to Current Affairs. My name is Nathan Robinson. I'm the editor-in-chief of Current Affairs

Magazine. I am joined today by Professor Julie Suk. She is Professor of Law at Fordham University

School of Law. She is the author of the books We, the Women, the Unstoppable

Mothers of the Equal Rights Amendment, and most recently, after misogyny, how the law fails women,

and what to do about it. Professor Suk, thank you for joining us on Carter Farst today.

Thanks so much for having me.

I want to start with the concept of misogyny

because getting us to a clear concept of misogyny

is very important in your book.

When people are accused of being racist,

they often say things like,

I'm not racist, I don't hate anybody.

And I think with misogyny,

the same thing happens.

I can't possibly be a misogynist.

I don't hate or despise women.

And you argue that in some ways it is correct not to think of misogyny as hatred of women.

And you try and get us to a more accurate and helpful definition of the term.

What you point out is that it's true that misogynists often don't consciously hate women,

but that doesn't mean we don't have a society saturated with misogyny.

And so let's start with how you think we should conceive of the idea of misogynia.

So I think it might be helpful to think of misogyny as existing, even if there's no misogynist.

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