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Culture Study Podcast

Why Do Clothes Suck Now?

Culture Study Podcast

Culture Study Podcast

Arts, Society & Culture

4.5 • 790 Ratings

🗓️ 6 December 2023

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

For the maiden voyage of the Culture Study podcast, we’re taking a hard look at a problem that plagues us all: terrible clothes. Why are shirts falling apart or pilling after just a few wears? Why does Gucci charge $3200 for a polyester sweater? What happened to ironing and will we ever dry clean en masse again?Amanda Mull, staff writer at The Atlantic, joins me for a deep dive into the past twenty years of fashion production (and consumption) trends.Show notes:The tweet I describe in the beginning of the podcast:Read Amanda Mull’s piece in The Atlantic: “Your Sweaters Are Garbage”Read Sarah Zhang’s piece in The Atlantic: “How I Got Bamboo-zled by Baby Clothes”Amanda mentioned: Sofi Thanhauser’s Worn: A People’s History of ClothingSome other Amanda pieces I love: Millennials Have Lost Their Grip on Fashion, The Free-Returns Party Is Over, How Shoppers Got Tricked By Vegan LeatherYou can see Amanda’s Jeffrey Dahmer glasses in the bio of her Instagram (which is private, so don’t friend request unless you actually know her)Paul Mescal’s rat tail situation (perhaps more appropriately called a mullet)This week, we’re looking for your questions for future episodes about:Resurgent interest in early 2000s music (with Switched on Pop’s Nate Sloan)The Mean Girls TrailerA deep analysis of Taylor and Travis Kelce discourseKevin Bacon’s Hott Instagram and Gen-X/Elder Millennial Instagram in general“Little treat” cultureYou can submit them (and ideas for future eps) here.Now come hang out with us in the discussion — I’ve put a few ideas to get us started below:What’s your best made piece of clothing — and what’s the piece of clothing that SHOULD be well made but has evidenced itself to be shit?Did you go check the tags of your sweaters after listening WHAT DID THEY SAY???How do we think of this general decline in clothing quality as a symptom of deregulation?I’d love to hear your thoughts about the decline in ironing and “women’s domestic tasks” in general.PLUS ANYTHING ELSE YOU’D LOVE TO TALK ABOUTAs is the case in the rest of subscriber-only Culture Study, this is a private space, and our expectation is basically: don’t be butts. In this case, don’t be butts about clothes and other people’s relationship to those clothes, and let’s keep this one of the good places on the internet.And if you’re looking for the fancy subscriber-only-question-form that allows us to prioritize your questions: it’s here. And thank you so much for subscribing — you allow us to make the show we want (which is also hopefully the show you actually like) free of advertiser imperatives, and that rules.

Transcript

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0:00.0

So what we're going to do first is we're going to look at a tweet that you are familiar with

0:04.5

because you wrote about it. So I'm going to put the tweet in our little chat here.

0:09.7

Okay.

0:10.7

This is a retweet of a picture from film updates.

0:18.5

It's a picture of Billy Crystal in like a big, luxurious white sweater and jeans,

0:26.0

like white dad sneakers, his like iconic outfit from when Harry met Sally. And then next to him

0:34.5

is Ben Schwartz doing a similar look.

0:38.9

And the comment is from a user named Ellery Smith, and it says,

0:42.1

The quality of sweaters has declined so greatly in the last 20 years that I think it genuinely necessitates a national conversation.

0:49.9

What do you spot immediately when you're looking at the differences between the two?

0:54.8

The biggest difference, I mean, there's a lot of, like, aesthetic differences here.

0:58.4

I think Ben did sort of a half-assed job of this, if we're being totally honest.

1:03.3

But the biggest difference is what Ellery refers to in her tweet is that the sweater that

1:10.7

Billy Crystal is wearing from Harry Met Sally

1:13.6

is just this sort of like voluminous, fluffy, comfortable looking thick, like richly cabled

1:20.3

sweater. And then Ben next to him is wearing a sweater that first of all has a different cut.

1:26.0

It's cut much closer to the body. It doesn't

1:28.7

have like the volume or the heft of Billy's sweater. It has a bunch of cabling on it, but

1:34.4

everything about it just looks sort of like thin and flat and sort of less rich compared to the

1:41.7

sweater that Billy was wearing. It's just a worse sweater, honestly.

1:48.2

This is the Culture Study podcast, and I'm Ann Helen Peterson. I'm Amanda Moll. I'm a staff writer at The Atlantic.

1:54.4

We are talking about clothes and all of their very crappiness and why they are that way.

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