Welcome to Betrayal Trauma Recovery. This is Anne.

Dr. Jill Manning is here today. I am so excited to have her.

She is a licensed marriage and family therapist and certified clinical partner

specialist who specializes in working with individuals impacted by sexual addiction, pornography, or betrayal trauma in their primary relationship.

In addition to her clinical work, Dr. Manning is a researcher, author, consultant, and activist.

She has been featured in numerous television and radio programs, and in 2005 was invited to testify

before the U.S. Senate subcommittee about the harms of pornography on the family.

She currently serves on the Board of Directors for the Association of Partners of Sex Addicts Trauma Specialists. You know that as Apsats. Our audience knows

Apsats well, as well as the Board of Directors for Enough is Enough. Dr. Manning is a native of Calgary, Alberta, and currently lives in Colorado with her family.

Welcome, Jill.

Thank you. I'm excited to be here.

I am so excited to have her because so many women are wondering about couples therapy.

We have women in our groups who are asking questions, who are saying, hey, I need a good couples therapist.

Where should I go?

And that's what we're going to talk about today. I've seen two different

situations with couples therapy that I'm just going to introduce this topic with and then we'll talk about it from there.

Number one, many men are going to therapy and the women aren't seeing a big difference.

And so they think, well, if we get a couple's therapist and I'm involved, then maybe I'll see the

improvements that I'm looking for. So there's that element of it. Another element is

that they're seeing their marriage issues as marriage issues or

communication issues rather than as an abuse issue or as a addiction issue.

And Lundy Bancroft, he does not advise couples therapy in any way, shape, or form

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