Just out of curiosity, what went through your mind when you saw the phrase, a commitment to reality?

So when I think of reality, I think we have the whole culture on this kind of making this sudden turn from science as God to anything goes and let's play around with it.

And we're trying to halt them right there in that

corner and say, let's pay attention to reality. Let's make sure you know what you're getting

into. Is that what you have in mind? More than anything, I think the vital word is commitment.

Because reality exists whether you accept it or not and we live in this time where

people are so scared to challenge somebody else's conception of reality you've got your truth

and i have my truth and to contradict your conception of truth is anathema.

Yes.

Right.

It's offensive.

Right.

And this whole thing where, you know, to be loving and kind is to accept.

And as parents, both of us know that that's not always loving and kind.

No.

Sometimes you need to rebuke with love. Yeah. But to say that's not always loving and kind. No. Sometimes you need to rebuke with love, but to say that's not really how reality is.

An analogy that I often go to is if you have a friend or relative whom you really love and they smoke cigarettes, there's an appropriate time to rebuke.

You will be doing that in love because you're concerned for them. But they are, you can name something they're doing that is harming. So I feel the same way about encountering someone who's using a Ouija board or trying to predict the future. They're doing something that's dangerous. As you say,

though, it's offensive when you call that out and when you deny that everybody can have their

own reality. I wonder if it'll just take tragedy, you know? Is it just going to take repeated

tragedy for people to understand how dangerous this whole field is?

Yeah, so like I said, the emphasis being on commitment was what really drew me in.

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