Welcome to China Affairs. My name is Nathan Robinson. I am the editor-in-chief of Current Affairs

Magazine. I am joined today by Jagba. He's the author of the book, I'm not hanging noodles on

your ears, but more importantly, he is a science writer, contributor to Scientific American, and to

current affairs, where he has written a number of excellent and important pieces, mostly on

the climate crisis. His most recent for us is climate.

Optimism is dangerous and irrational.

Previously, he wrote,

we can't have climate justice without ending computational colonialism,

a concept which we will get into today. And before that, he wrote the excellent piece,

taming the greedocracy. We will surely be speaking

about greedocracy today. So, Jag Bala, thank you so much for joining us of current affairs today.

Oh, thank you for having you, Nathan, and thank you for publishing the, this is now my fifth piece,

and many of those pieces could not have been published elsewhere, so thank you for that.

Well, let's what we ask writers to bring us the stuff that everyone else rejects for being too

off the wall, too detail, to whatever it is. So, by the way, those listening, if you have a piece

that's getting rejected everywhere, but you think it's really, really important come to current affairs.

And, Jack, one of the reasons I like your pieces for us

is that, you know, when you write on this subject,

you know, you're a math guy, so you have all the numbers,

all the facts, all the stats,

but what I like about the way you write

about the climate crisis is that you come to it with what I consider the requisite or require

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