If the product is free, then you are the product.

So when I saw guys, you know, politicians, other spokespeople, celebrities, influencers, whatever, on TV,

really encouraging people to get the jab, giving away donuts and happy meals,

and they're creating all this like cartoon propaganda aimed at children,

I knew that poison was not coming anywhere near me or my family. That's a very useful

heuristic. You don't need to go and read a thousand pages of scientific research or biology papers.

You don't need to know any of that. All you need to do is see how people are acting and use that

as a heuristic to determine how you should act in response. Going to Bitcoin events and seeing really intelligent, really disagreeable, really entrepreneurial people.

In a room of 100 people, I'm the most disagreeable guy there.

And so I go to these rooms and it's a lot of people like that.

Nerdy disagreeable guys, but they've all reached this extremely strong conclusion. We all fully agree the Bitcoin is like the thing. That's a good data point. That's a that's consilience, as we call it, right? If you can see a thing, it's one degree of real. If you can see it and touch it, it's another degree of real. If you can see it, touch it, feel it, smell it, then it's a whole other degree of real. So to have all these different perspectives arriving at the same conclusion was a very

powerful signal to me.

Hi, Robert on the podcast.

Welcome back again. Eric on the podcast. So great to have you both

here. This is like for me I'm overwhelmed. It's like the O. G's of O. And Eric that I had already

like one, two times on the podcast. And like I really look up to you both of you guys. So

I'm really looking forward to having a conversation well thanks man thanks for making it easy

coming to us yeah totally um first i always start with the question with new guests on my

podcast um of like oh like why are you excited of bitcoin but i will reframe it a little bit for you robert

um you are one of the oGs of the ojis for me. Why are you still excited for Bitcoin in 2096 after being so long in there?

Oh, well, I think it's easier than ever to be excited about Bitcoin. You've been here for almost 10 years.

Definitely more challenging in the beginning when Bitcoin was considered to be a very serious

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