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And you, Jiggas! you jigga! This is Jona Goldberg, host of the remnant podcast brought you by the dispatch and dispatch media.

I'm very excited about today's guest.

I know I say I'm very excited about a lot of guests,

but that's because I don't have people on here very often.

Either, it's like my dad gave me writing advice, he said,

every sentence needs to either be good or important,

which is an incredibly difficult writing

ideal to live up to, but it's directionally good advice.

If the sentence is important, it has to be in there and if the sentence is good,

the reader will forgive you for it not being important.

And so all the guests I have on here are either. will forgive you for it not being important.

And so all the guests I have on here

are either I think are important or good or sometimes both.

And that brings me to David Brooks, who is both.

And actually, I would say he gets closer than most to having sentences hit the

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