Higher education has been in a tailspin for a really long time, the affordability crisis,

the rocketing tuition prices, and it's made itself an easy target as something that is

frivolous and elitist and like a hotbed of woke leftist ideologies.

I think we read, again, to understand how the world looks to somebody who is not us.

The idea that AI could produce good literature is such a condescending attitude to what people

lead for it.

So AI couldn't have done for English what Shakespeare did.

So can the machine do it better?

No, the machine can't do it better.

Hello, and welcome to Ways to Change the World. I'm Christian Guru Murphy, and this is the podcast

in which we talk to extraordinary people about the big ideas and their lives and the events

that have helped shape them. My guest today is Rebecca Kwong, the best-selling novelist whose books explore

some of the most fraught debates of our time, interrogating racism in publishing, cultural

appropriation, tokenism, and diversity in politics, not to mention empire and colonialism. Her novel

Yellowface, in particular, struck a nerve highlighting the pressures and hypocrisies

of the modern literary world from social media mobbing and cancel culture to the uncomfortable

questions about who gets to tell which stories.

She has a new novel out now and another one on the way.

Rebecca, welcome.

Thank you for coming.

Thanks for having me.

How would you change the world?

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