Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Muscle Intelligence podcast. Today we're diving into programming for athletics, hypertropine so much more.

Two incredible gentlemen of joining today that I've been watching from afar for a long time, admiring their work.

And today we get to dive into their brilliance. Stefan Kuzul and Poric O'Rourke. Join me today from Kilo from South Florida.

And we're going to talk everything to do with programming, their business,

and ultimately how you can leverage programming to be the best version of yourself in 2026 and beyond Gents.

It's an absolute pleasure to sit and first break bread with you and now share some elements.

Yeah.

Thank you for having us for so long your podcast.

It's much appreciated.

So first, Stefan, I've known about you for a very long time since our mutual friend, Charles, first told me about you, gosh, it was probably 2013 or something like that.

Where I've heard a lot about your programming for not only Charles and then Gavin and Derek Woodsky and a lot of guys are just like Stefan's the programming guy, the programming guy.

And you know, as I mentioned you at lunch, like, I hate programming.

Because what I recognize is for me, the more I learn about programming, like I have some,

you know, mental block.

Like if I know to do better, then I have to do better.

And like sometimes with programming, I'm like, it just takes me so long to write, you know, all the details that I truly want to write in a program.

And I know somewhere through the great plan, a lot of those details have come from you, whether it be from your social media, from Charles's courses or from Gavin, everyone's referring to you and your stuff. So I wanted to say

that one, I'm very grateful for you and your lessons through the years that even though you didn't

know you were teaching me you were, and I'm super excited to dig into your mind. So maybe we just roll back

to like, where were you before you worked with Charles? So you were the head, one of the head coaches,

if not the head coach

with Polokin group for a while teaching his certifications? Yeah. So me, kind of like I, you know,

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