Actually one of the things

of the things that does come up with gardening too that a lot of people

struggle with are pests and I love this idea of you know like are we the pests or like who is here first like what's going on so I'd love to talk about your solution and thoughts around pests and like how you deal with it in the garden.

Well when I first started gardening I was so invested in it

emotionally and financially and all of the above that if anything moved in my garden, it died.

I was like, no, this is my garden.

And I just had this like kill it with fire attitude.

And so that was just straight out the gate. I just

straight out the gate and then somewhere along the way I realized wait a minute like I

think there's some food chain and some semblance of how things work in nature and like

nature does it really well I live right on the edge we have some woods behind us and

kind of see how things work in tandem and so I started that was when I really began my journey into organic gardening.

And the reason for that was I realized that, you know, for example, if I left the aphids long enough, I would see a big influx of ladybugs or if I

left the tomato hornworms you know I would have some parasitic was for something come in and so that was so interesting to me that that began that that was what became most important to me was like let me see how I can most do things like nature does it. So now I don't I don't really do much of anything other than

companion planting and adding in you know know, pollinators and herbs and things like that.

And I think so like this question of like pests in the garden is one that is always going to

exist and it's it's so interesting because I think everyone's approach at first to some extent is like how do I how do I fight this problem like it's here and I'm ready to go to war.

And at the beginning like even I had that approach right?

It's like oh, oh like I must have done something to fail like now

these aphids are all over my plants.

And over the years, much like yourself, I mean, from the very first season,

I was not an organic gardener.

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