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Hello and welcome to copyhouse shots. Spectator's daily politics podcast. I'm Katie Balls

and I'm joined by Isabel Hardman and James Forsy. We've had the news

today that Jenny Chapman is leaving her role as political secretary for the Labour leader. She's

going to stay on in a different position. But Isabel, this comes after a series of changes when it

comes to Kirstama's top team. We've had the departure of Ben Nunn, the Director of Communications,

Morgan McSweeney, his Chief of Staff, has been moved to a more strategic role.

Who's actually in charge now?

Well, it looks as though Keir Stama has decided to make some changes

and that also that events just mean that some changes are happening to Kirstama as well.

So when it comes to his comms team, Paul Ovenden, who was Ben Nunn's deputy, is leaving for family reasons

rather than because he's had enough of Kirstama or because he's been sacked.

Ben Nunn is off to pursue other projects.

But with Jenny Chapman, Baroness Chapman,

she was blamed by some in the party for the Hartlepool by-election defeat.

Kirstarmoor did keep her on at the time when he did that really botched reshuffle,

which just ended up with a big story about how Angela Raina had sort of faced him down over 24 hours

and ended up with 25 million job titles.

But there needs now to be a change in messaging from the leader's office, a change in direction,

because otherwise it just looks as though he's rearranging the deck chairs or the desk chairs on the Titanic

and that the problem is actually him as leader. I understand they've got someone in mind for the new

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