Who’s at the Wheel? The Roberts Memos, the War, and the President’s Mental State
Pantsuit Politics
Lemonada Media
4.5 • 4.9K Ratings
🗓️ 21 April 2026
⏱️ 71 minutes
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Summary
Sarah and Beth unpack the bombshell New York Times investigation linking the shadow docket to Chief Justice John Roberts, assess the erratic messaging around day 53 of the war in Iran, and close with reflections on what a week out West in the national parks can do for your spirit.
Topics Discussed:
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The Roberts Court and the Shadow Docket
- Day 53 of the War in Iran: The Commander-in-Chief Question
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Section 702 and FISA
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Outside of Politics: Big Skies and Big Silence for Spring Break
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| 0:00.0 | I listen to Sarah and Beth because I can count on them to bring multiple perspectives to an issue or current event. |
| 0:09.6 | From people with actual moral virtues who might feel comfortable being around my kids. |
| 0:15.0 | Sarah and Beth do such a tremendous job of listening to each other and to opinions that don't immediately align with their own. |
| 0:22.5 | They've done their homework. They ask good questions and they aren't afraid to change their |
| 0:27.1 | minds. This is Sarah Stewart-Hollin. This is Beth Silvers. You're listening to Pantsuit |
| 0:33.9 | Politics. We have a lot of ground to cover today. So we're going to start in the Supreme Court where a bombshell New York Times investigation based on leaked internal memos |
| 0:43.3 | traces the origins of the shadow docket directly to Chief Justice John Roberts. Then we're going |
| 0:49.5 | to talk about the war in Iran, the erratic statements coming out of the White House, and the power |
| 0:54.6 | vacuum inside the leadership in Iran. And what all of this is costing the world, outside of |
| 1:00.3 | politics, we both went out west for spring break. And we have some things to say about big skies |
| 1:05.2 | and big silences and what it can do for your spirit. Before we get started, it has been a chaotic week, and if today's episode helps you make sense of the world a little bit, we have a small request. |
| 1:17.8 | Would you just text it to a friend? |
| 1:19.6 | The best way to grow a show like ours for people who are going to love what we do and love the community around it is just one text at a time. Not like a vague, you should |
| 1:29.2 | listen to Pantsu Politics, but this episode, for this reason, it just makes a huge difference for us, |
| 1:34.5 | and we truly appreciate your support. Next up, let's talk about the shadow docket. |
| 1:40.3 | Hey, it's Julie Luey Dreyfus from Wiser than Me, etc. Just popping in with a little reality check. |
| 1:47.4 | Food waste shouldn't exist. There is no reason that our leftovers should end up in a landfill, |
| 1:53.5 | but that's the final destination for about a third of the food we grow. |
| 1:58.0 | Our ancestors would be confused. They use their food scraps as compost, or as animal feed, |
| 2:04.2 | or in weird soups, all the stuff we did before garbage was invented. But composting is hard work. |
| 2:12.4 | Living with a bucket of rotten food on your counter is gross. Most food goes in the trash because it's easy, |
| 2:19.5 | and these days we'll take any easy we can get. But now there's something easier. |
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