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The LRB Podcast

Who owns Judy Garland?

The LRB Podcast

London Review of Books

Society & Culture

4.4 • 579 Ratings

🗓️ 17 December 2025

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

For a century, Judy Garland’s joyous and vulnerable singing voice has captivated audiences at the theatre, over the airwaves and in the cinema. Camille Paglia wrote of her that she ‘became an emblematic personality of her time, into whom the mass audience projected its hopes and disappointments’. Bee Wilson joins Malin Hay to discuss Garland’s years at MGM Studios, where she was mistreated and overworked by her employers but also made some of her best pictures, growing from a contract player into a star. They discuss whether Garland’s work at MGM was worth the pain it caused her, who her greatest collaborators were, and who now owns her story. Listen to Bee read her pieces in the audiobook Complicated Women, which includes an introductory conversation between Bee and Malin: https://lrb.me/audiobookspod From the LRB Subscribe to the LRB: ⁠⁠https://lrb.me/subslrbpod Close Readings podcast: ⁠https://lrb.me/crlrbpod⁠ LRB Audiobooks: ⁠https://lrb.me/audiobookslrbpod⁠ Bags, binders and more at the LRB Store: ⁠https://lrb.me/storelrbpod⁠ Get in touch: podcasts@lrb.co.uk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm James Wood, and this year on the LRB's Close Reading's podcast, I'm asking,

0:07.4

Who's Afraid of Realism? I'll be taking a range of great novels and short stories,

0:12.4

from Flobe's Madame Bovary and Dostoevsky's Notes from Underground, up to more recent works

0:17.2

by Amit Chowdhury and Gwendolyn Riley. And I'll be examining what makes and makes

0:22.5

for the real. How does realism produce its effects? What's the difference between artifice

0:28.3

and artificiality? And who is and has been afraid of realism and why? The series starts with

0:35.5

two episodes on Madame Bovary, which you can listen to right now,

0:39.2

and in the third episode I'll be talking to Adam Thurlwell about Dostoevsky. You can find a link in

0:44.0

the description or search close readings I'm Malin Hay.

1:09.4

By the time she was 12, Judy Garland was being billed as the

1:13.4

little girl with the leather lungs, someone whose powerful voice seemed at odds with her childlike,

1:18.9

even frail physique and persona. More than 50 years after her death, it's hard to think of

1:24.4

another star of Hollywood's golden era, with whom fans feel such a strong

1:28.2

sense of identification and protectiveness. After being brought up in a family of travelling performers,

1:34.6

Garland signed a contract at MGM Studios at age 13, and she stayed there for the next 15 years,

1:40.8

starring in films such as Easter Parade, Meet Me in St. Louis, and of course, the Wizard of

1:45.2

Oz. MGM was the place where Garland grew from a studio player into a star, but it was also the

1:51.3

site of formative and traumatic experiences, including the start of the drug addiction that played

1:56.4

her for the rest of her life. Joining me today to discuss Garland's life and work is the writer

2:01.4

B Wilson, who has written astutely for the LRB about the way that Hollywood can shape and sometimes

2:06.8

to form the lives of its stars. She's written about Paul Newman, Elizabeth Taylor, Hedy Lamar

2:12.5

and Nicole Kidman, and many of those pieces were included in an book, Complicated Women, that came out in

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