On Politics: Inside Britain’s Asylum System
The LRB Podcast
London Review of Books
4.4 • 579 Ratings
🗓️ 10 December 2025
⏱️ 62 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, I'm James Wood, and this year on the LRB's Close Reading's podcast, I'm asking, |
| 0:07.4 | Who's Afraid of Realism? I'll be taking a range of great novels and short stories, |
| 0:12.4 | from Flobe's Madame Bovary and Dostoevsky's Notes from Underground, up to more recent works |
| 0:17.2 | by Amit Chowdhury and Gwendolyn Riley. And I'll be examining what makes and makes |
| 0:22.5 | for the real. How does realism produce its effects? What's the difference between artifice |
| 0:28.3 | and artificiality? And who is and has been afraid of realism and why? The series starts with |
| 0:35.5 | two episodes on Madame Bovary, which you can listen to right now. |
| 0:39.2 | And in the third episode, I'll be talking to Adam Thurlwell about Dostoevsky. |
| 0:43.1 | You can find a link in the description or search close readings wherever you get your podcasts. |
| 0:50.2 | For my entire adult life, migration has been a central and perhaps obsessively central issue in British politics. |
| 0:56.4 | It has driven some of the most consequential changes in the country, including Brexit and the rise of Nigel Farage's reform. |
| 1:02.9 | Both Labour and Conservatives spasmodically attempt to outdo each other on ostentatious cruelty to asylum seekers and migrants. |
| 1:10.3 | The famous Labour controls on |
| 1:12.1 | immigration mugs being a case in point. Towards the end of Rishi Sunak's tenure, |
| 1:16.8 | his government was beset by the small boats crisis, migrants making the channel |
| 1:20.9 | crossing in dinghies and typically claiming asylum on arrival. This intensely |
| 1:25.3 | dangerous method of crossing, which bears some parallels with |
| 1:27.9 | the risks taken by migrants crossing into Europe using sea routes, often relying on rescue |
| 1:32.6 | by coast cards or volunteers, that rescue, of course, doesn't always arrive. When Labour came |
| 1:38.5 | into power, they vowed to smash the gangs, they say are responsible for the small boat's |
| 1:42.3 | crisis. But the numbers haven't yet changed substantially. Meanwhile, asylum and illegal migration, and particularly asylum |
| 1:49.1 | hotels, have become flashpoints for local grievance and sporadic violence. As is often |
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