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The LRB Podcast

On Politics: Inside Britain’s Asylum System

The LRB Podcast

London Review of Books

Society & Culture

4.4579 Ratings

🗓️ 10 December 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

The politics of migration have driven some of the most consequential changes in Britain’s recent history and look set to dominate the next general election. Since the end of Rishi Sunak’s government, the crossings of ‘small boats’ over the English Channel and the use of ‘asylum hotels’ have become a focal point for protest, violence and escalating rhetoric, leading most recently to significant changes in the migration system proposed by the home secretary, Shabana Mahmood. To assess these changes and explain how Britain’s asylum system works, James is joined by Colin Yeo, a barrister and author of Welcome to Britain: Fixing Our Broken Immigration System, and Nicola Kelly, a former Home Office civil servant and author of Anywhere But Here: How Britain’s Broken Asylum System Fails Us All. Read more on politics in the LRB: ⁠https://lrb.me/lrbpolitics⁠ From the LRB Subscribe to the LRB: ⁠⁠https://lrb.me/subslrbpod Close Readings podcast: ⁠https://lrb.me/crlrbpod⁠ LRB Audiobooks: ⁠https://lrb.me/audiobookslrbpod⁠ Bags, binders and more at the LRB Store: ⁠https://lrb.me/storelrbpod⁠ Get in touch: podcasts@lrb.co.uk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm James Wood, and this year on the LRB's Close Reading's podcast, I'm asking,

0:07.4

Who's Afraid of Realism? I'll be taking a range of great novels and short stories,

0:12.4

from Flobe's Madame Bovary and Dostoevsky's Notes from Underground, up to more recent works

0:17.2

by Amit Chowdhury and Gwendolyn Riley. And I'll be examining what makes and makes

0:22.5

for the real. How does realism produce its effects? What's the difference between artifice

0:28.3

and artificiality? And who is and has been afraid of realism and why? The series starts with

0:35.5

two episodes on Madame Bovary, which you can listen to right now.

0:39.2

And in the third episode, I'll be talking to Adam Thurlwell about Dostoevsky.

0:43.1

You can find a link in the description or search close readings wherever you get your podcasts.

0:50.2

For my entire adult life, migration has been a central and perhaps obsessively central issue in British politics.

0:56.4

It has driven some of the most consequential changes in the country, including Brexit and the rise of Nigel Farage's reform.

1:02.9

Both Labour and Conservatives spasmodically attempt to outdo each other on ostentatious cruelty to asylum seekers and migrants.

1:10.3

The famous Labour controls on

1:12.1

immigration mugs being a case in point. Towards the end of Rishi Sunak's tenure,

1:16.8

his government was beset by the small boats crisis, migrants making the channel

1:20.9

crossing in dinghies and typically claiming asylum on arrival. This intensely

1:25.3

dangerous method of crossing, which bears some parallels with

1:27.9

the risks taken by migrants crossing into Europe using sea routes, often relying on rescue

1:32.6

by coast cards or volunteers, that rescue, of course, doesn't always arrive. When Labour came

1:38.5

into power, they vowed to smash the gangs, they say are responsible for the small boat's

1:42.3

crisis. But the numbers haven't yet changed substantially. Meanwhile, asylum and illegal migration, and particularly asylum

1:49.1

hotels, have become flashpoints for local grievance and sporadic violence. As is often

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