Welcome to the Luke and Pete Shaw. I am Pete Donaldson. I'm Joe Moeer. Hello. It's Diane Keaton's birthday, the late Greed Diane Keaton. She died for you recently, didn't she? She did. Marlon Manson's as well. And who else. Bianca Sensori,

that woman who's always got a top off

who hangs around with Kanye West. Oh, doesn't anymore? I don't know. I don't know where Kanye is. What's Kanye? He's had the pretty low-key end to last year, hasn't he? Yeah, I don't like him being quiet. I want to know what he's up to, to be honest. I like that Mariner Manson's called Brian. that'll always tickle me.

Yeah, well, he's sort of, he's shipped a bit of weight, and now he looks like pre-more Marilynne Manson. Has he been cancelled, does he? Yeah, I still can't skip those accusations, I think. But there's not... But has he actually been cancelled, or is he still working? He's still working?

Oh, look, you never get cancelled, do you? Louis C.K., never get cancelled for doing, you know, terrible things. Yeah, Louis CK just kind of randomly just came back and that was that. Yeah, take a couple of years out and then come back and you can sell out Maddox to Crack Hards again. It's really easy stuff. Is it, it's so reflective of the society in which we live, isn't it?

Yeah, because... can sell out man of the square guns again. It's really easy stuff. It's so reflective of the society in which we live, isn't it?

Yeah.

Because society is the one that decides whether people are cancelled or not, right?

Yeah.

But people will complain that, you know, you're canceling this person, you cancel that person.

No one ever gets cancelled.

No one ever gets cancelled.

They can always come back.

They can always come back. No matter what they've done. Ian Watkins got cancelled. Well, he got imprisoned. It's hard to sort of rebuild anything, one would suggest, from prison. He got cancelled and murdered, so there we go. Yeah. That's quite an interesting thing in 2025, isn't it? 2026, Peter. 20, no, but it happened in 2025.

Sorry, you're absolutely right.

It did happen in 2025.

I wonder if it made, I didn't check the Heroes of Switzerland Art Collective,

run by somebody I know.

And they always do like sort of people we've lost tea towel.

And so they'll get like artists, different artists to draw the faces of the people who have died that year. So Diane Keaton would have been in there. But I'm just wondering whether Ian Watkins made it on to the tea towel. I wouldn't have thought so, no. Wouldn't have thought so, no. Might have done. I mean, it's, you know, it's not celebrating them necessarily. But what you're saying is for someone to be truly cancelled, like take the Lilly CK example, for him to truly be cancelled, he would have to announce a comeback show at Madison Square Garden and no one would go. Yes, completely agree. Yeah, the money's still coming in. The money's still coming in. Because people are prepared to overlook his indiscretions because they like his stuff. Yes.

It's like the whole... Yes, completely agree. Yeah, the money's still coming in. The money's still coming in. Because people are prepared to overlook his indiscretions because they like his stuff.

Yes. It's no different to the kind of that shit on Twitter where everyone's talking about how May and Artists try and re-signy on Mason Greenwood or Mason Greenwood or Mason Greenwood should play for England or whatever. Because people just don't care. They make an assessment. they go, I don't fucking care.

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