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Hello and welcome to coffeeey House Shots Spectators Daily Politics Podcast.

I'm Katie Balls and I'm joined by Isabel Hardman and Chris Hopkins

director of research at Savannah. Now, a new poll is in, this poll is a U-Gov poll,

but it is something that I think ever since Niger Farage's return to lead the Reform Party,

Tory candidates have been dreading and partly I think seen as

inevitable and this is a Uyghur poll which puts reform ahead of the Tories for the first time.

They are on 19% but the Tories one point behind on

18%. Labour meanwhile are just soaring ahead on 37%. There's since been a poll

out today a technique poll which has the Tories ahead by two points of reform.

But Isabel, just to put this into perspective, how is this going to make Tory candidates feel?

Well, Katie, you forecast this in your election insider

Sunday email briefing this weekend where

it was really a question of when not if this crossover was going to happen.

And so I think that you know there's no shock factor here because

candidates were waiting for this moment and it's interesting because prior to the

election I think you would have seen some mayhem and you might have picked up

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