Who Is Reality Winner? with Kerry Howley

Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

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🗓️ 7 January 2020

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

In the summer of 2017, a 25-year-old government contractor exposed detailed evidence of Russian interference in the 2016 election. Reality Winner printed out classified US Intelligence documents, hid the papers in her pantyhose as she left work, and then put them in the mail to The Intercept. The report they published was the first piece of concrete evidence shared with the public proving the United States possessed tangible evidence that Russians hackers attacked American voting systems. After The Intercept published the story, complete with scans of the original papers, authorities immediately traced the leak back to Reality Winner. She was arrested, denied bail, and is now serving 5 years in a federal prison. Kerry Howley wrote an in-depth profile of Reality Winner for New York Magazine and joins to share the compelling story of who Winner is, why she did it, and the severe treatment she's received at the hands of the United States government. RELATED: Who Is Reality Winner? by Kerry Howley The Secret Government by Chris Hayes http://StandwithReality.org

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0:00.0	It's about in the wake of 9-11 this massive secret state that we build that's outside of
0:06.6	democratic processes.
0:07.6	It's not accountable to anyone.
0:08.9	We don't even know what it costs necessarily.
0:11.0	That's like massively geographically distributed and involves a hundred thousand of our fellow
0:16.7	Americans who go to work every day and can't tell their families what they do.
0:20.5	And it's like who are those people, right?
0:22.4	And we picture like 60-year-old white men who are grim and suits.
0:27.0	But no, there are people like reality winner.
0:28.7	There are young people.
0:29.9	People have been pulled into this world that's completely hidden.
0:33.8	Hello and welcome to Wise is Happening with me, your host Chris Hayes.
0:40.7	So there's basically three prongs to Russian interference in the 2016 election.
0:46.4	Two of which we basically have like comprehensive knowledge about or a lot of knowledge about
0:50.7	and one of which remains somewhat murky and occluded.
0:54.1	So the first is the hacking of emails, right?
0:57.0	They pack the DNC server.
0:58.4	They hack John Podessa's email, who's the campaign chair, I think, for the Hillary Clinton
1:01.5	campaign.
1:02.5	Those emails then were distributed via WikiLeaks and they drove huge amounts of press coverage.
1:06.8	We're very damaging the Clinton campaign.
1:09.0	We know about that.
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