There's something so romantic about winter and I don't know whether that's just because

I'm a bit of a homebody and I love a 5th.

But I think it's just the holiday period, it's just for me, it's the most romantic period.

And I think anyone who's listened to my records will know that I'm quite a big fan of romance.

Joy in every sip with red cups now back at Starbucks.

It is growing up with lions and zebras and leopards in your backyard,

teach us about protecting the planet.

I'm Benji Jones and I write for Vox about the environment, conservation and biodiversity.

And today I'm your host for Vox Conversations.

In a previous episode of Vox Conversations, I learned about a bird in Africa called the

Honey Guide.

If you know how to talk to it, this pretty normal looking bird will guide you to be

hives full of honey.

This is a real thing.

Indigenous people have been following these birds to honeypots for a long time.

People like my guest today, Kimmarin Ole Riyamit, a member of the Masai Indigenous group

in Kenya.

Kimmarin has followed birds to honey several times before, but that's actually just one

example of the intimate relationship that he and many Indigenous people have with nature.

And it's a relationship that, in much of the world, is breaking down, is actually broken

down.

Unlike my guest, many of us aren't so directly dependent on the land or so aware of how

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