Hi this is Grant Cameron and you're listening to that

uFO podcast.

Hi everyone and welcome back to that uFO podcast.

My name is Andy and I am joined today on the pod by a returning guest,

author of multiple worldwide best sellers including communion based on his own terrifying experiences, also host of his own podcast Dreamland and

speak out at this year's contact in the desert I'd love to welcome back to the

podcast Mr Whitley Strieber. Whitley welcome back.

Thank you. I'm very glad to be back.

Well listen really good to have you on.

Of course you're a speaker at this year's contact in the desert running May 30th till June 3rd and we are going to get to that

absolutely but most recently I want to kick off Whitley talking about your

time attending the Saul Foundation Conference back in November at Stanford.

You had a ticket for that event.

Can you talk about the whole experience and what was your overall thoughts on that sort of

event?

Well first I think it was the most high-level UFO conference I've ever attended.

In fact, it was the most high-level UFO conference, anyone ever attended.

I, there were a lot of major players in the field and I don't mean the usual suspects like me and Linda Moulton

Howell I mean people like Gary Nolan and Diana Walsh, Pascocca, Jeffrey Cripple, Leslie Kane, and others along those lines.

And some form even closer to the deeper levels of this exploration.

And they gave a series of excellent talks for the most part.

Surprising talks, especially I think Abilob acquitted himself very well because he's been quite heavily criticized in the scientific community.

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