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Bullwork. Welcome and back, senior distinguished fellow at the Center for American Progress.

He was the ambassador to South Africa during the Obama administration. He's had a bunch of

other prominent roles in the Democratic Party. It's Patrick Espar. How you doing, man?

Hey, man. Good to be on, Tim. We're going to keep this tight because I'm pulling you away from that next

playoffs game.

Exactly.

Only for you in Bullwork, Tim.

Thank you, man.

Well, I really appreciate it.

And the folks will appreciate it because if our listeners and viewers or anything like me,

they're watching the scene in the Oval Office.

And you're like, I know this is bullshit.

I know that there's some iota of truth here, right?

That there's like some, you know, that obviously there's racial conflict in South Africa.

It's obviously gotten a million times better since the battle days.

But like, but we know this, the president's lying.

We know he's bullying this guy.

But like what help us like separate the kind of BS from the reality of what we saw today. So, so they take you for like

unpacking it that way. Not only do we know that these are like these allegations are not

factually true. All of us know that Donald Trump knows that these allegations aren't factually true, right?

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