I am your host, Tyler Burns. You can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at BurnsClayerFollow

at your own risk. And of course, joining me as always is the founder of the

witness, the man himself, the man, the myth, the legend, Mr. Bluecheck verified

himself, the two-time bestseller. I got to give you a accolade's brother.

Jamar Tizby, what's going on brother? Hey, listen folks, get your all of

co-hosts that gases you up every introduction. I appreciate that, Tyler. And I have

been so excited about this conversation for such a long time. And joining us, we

have none other than Dr. Anthea Butler, Dr. Butler. Thank you so much for joining us

here on Pass the mic. Thank you, Tyler. I guess I didn't pay you enough because I

don't get guessed up like this, right? It's coming. I'm starting and then I'm getting

to it. The check is in the mail. How about that?

Listen, that works. That works for me. Let's get straight into it because for those

who are unaware or uninitiated, Dr. Anthea Butler is a guess we have been

looking forward to for a long time. She is the associate professor of religious

studies and Africana studies at the University of Pennsylvania. She's a sought-after

commentator on, I got to take a deep breath to get all this out. The BBC MSNBC,

CNN, the history channel and PBS. She also regularly writes opinions and pieces

covering religion, race, politics and popular culture for NBC think, religion,

news service, the Washington Post and CNN. Her books include Women in the

Church of God and Christ making a sanctified world published by the University

of North Carolina press and the book that we're going to be talking about today.

Of course, white evangelical racism, the politics of morality in America and

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