Greetings and God bless. Welcome to another episode of past the Mike dynamic voices for a diverse church power by the Whitties and Black Christian

Collective. I am your host, Tyler Burns. You can follow me on Twitter and Instagram. Please do not forget about the Graham. Follow at your own risk. That is at Burns clan.

Follow at your own risk and joining me as always is the founder of the witness, the man, the myth, the legend, but two time best selling author Mr. Blue check verified

himself. Jamar Tisby. What's going on, brother? Everything is going on. Tell the world to slow down. Look, man, I almost look. I almost read your whole title for the entire racist

I can't actually do that. No, we don't have that long on the pot. Yeah, we don't have that long on the pot. But bro, it's good to be back on the mic with you, man.

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And we tackling another important topic, man. I feel like every time we get on the mic, we got something important to say.

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You all that. Yeah, yeah. What's my intro for that? Put that in your review. Give a Jamar suggestion for the intro for Tyler. I would be so appreciative. Then I have something to come back with.

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Please come a patreon subscriber. We got the video of the doctor and the butler episode coming your way. We also got a tearing slester interview coming your way. We got some other special little things that we're going to be doing. So, yes, please, please, please do that. We try to level up. So please go to patreon.com for a slash pass the mic. Just a dollar and episode. You get the you get all these perks. You get all these videos. Okay. So Jamar, we've been talking about leave loud.

And one of the questions, and I shouldn't even say one of because we know it's the number one. The number one question that we get every single time someone talks to us about leave loud is what's next.

And when we were mapping out this whole movement and this journey based upon our journeys, because that's really so much of what it is.

We were talking about this in the context of what happens after we leave some of us left quietly others of us left loud, but after we leave what happens because we don't step into a place that is automatically equitable and just for flourishing.

But there's this interim period and this interim period is what we like to call the wilderness. And we're obviously not the first to coin that term is all throughout the scriptures, all throughout the biblical narrative of people, great women and men that God has used going through their wilderness period, their wilderness season.

Jamar, for me, I think it was the first time that I really that I realized I was in the wilderness. It wasn't necessarily in the wilderness situationally because I was leading in a black church and I was a part of a faith family and I have people that have my back.

But it was in my relationships publicly. And when I started talking about Mike Brown in 2014 on my Facebook wall, I remember all the backlash that I got all the private conversations that I had.

And there was this exhilaration not because of the conversations, but because what I felt like I was doing in me was clarifying my calling and my purpose. And I felt liberated.

But I was liberated and also lonely.

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