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Mea Culpa

Where It All Started! + A Look Back at My Conversation with Rosie O’Donnell

Mea Culpa

Michael Cohen

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.82K Ratings

🗓️ 2 January 2026

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

Today on Mea Culpa, I’m revisiting the very first episode of the podcast—recorded in September 2020, when I was fresh out of prison and still confined to my home—with my first-ever guest, Rosie O’Donnell. What began as a conversation between two people deeply harmed by Donald Trump became something more urgent: a documentation of character, cruelty, and power. We talk about Trump not as a political movement, but as a man—his brittle ego, his need for submission, and his use of humiliation and fear as tools of control. Drawing from my years as his fixer and Rosie’s experience as his first public feud, we examine how loyalty is demanded, dissent is punished, and moral lines slowly disappear inside Trump’s orbit. From cult-like manipulation and normalized abuse to the personal cost paid by families and institutions alike, this episode serves as both confession and warning—one that proved tragically predictive of the damage that would follow when truth, decency, and accountability are sacrificed in service of one man’s ego. Subscribe to Michael's Substack: https://therealmichaelcohen.substack.com/ Subscribe to Michael's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TheMichaelCohenShow Join us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/PoliticalBeatdown Add the Mea Culpa podcast feed: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen Add the Political Beatdown podcast feed: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

This is my Mayor Coppah!

0:03.0

This is Michael Cohen, and you're listening to the one and only Mayor Copea podcast right here on the Mighty Midas Touch Network.

0:23.7

So look for all future episodes of our show behind the Blue Banner icon.

0:27.9

And I'm truly thankful that you hear.

0:29.7

And because of you, we have now exceeded 500 million downloads to date.

0:35.0

That's right, 500 million downloads to date. And as it's now the holiday,

0:40.3

I want to have a rerun, a rerun of the very first episode ever here on Mayor Culper. You see,

0:47.6

before Mayor Culper had an audience, a rhythm or even a real sense of where it was going,

0:52.4

it had urgency.

0:56.9

I'm taking you back to September of 2020.

0:59.6

I wasn't fresh out of Trump's orbit.

1:05.8

No, I was fresh out of prison, confined to my apartment, ankle monitor, still very much part of the decor, and I was determined that my voice would travel farther than the walls of home confinement allowed.

1:13.0

And that's where Mayor Culper began. And it began with Rosie O'Donnell.

1:18.4

Rosie wasn't to say first guest, no. You know what she was? She was the right one.

1:23.7

She had known Trump long before politics sanitized his cruelty for public consumption.

1:30.3

She didn't analyze him as a movement or as a moment. She understood him as a man. And in that

1:37.1

first conversation, we weren't theorizing. We were documenting character. We talked about ego, his endless, brittle need to dominate every room,

1:48.2

every conversation, every human being. We talked about meanness, not as a byproduct, but as a feature.

1:56.1

Cruelty, not as a lapse, but as a strategy. You know, Rosie said something that still echoes today.

2:03.6

She said, Trump doesn't just enjoy praise.

2:06.6

He requires submission.

2:08.6

And when he doesn't get it, he punishes.

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