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I wonder if you've ever been in a dark place that was so bad you finally asked the

question, God, where are you? Many of us have been there at some point in time

or another and if you or someone you know is facing that kind of a difficult

situation in their marriage, we want to give you some hope today. I'm John Fuller

joined by my focus colleagues, Dr. Greg Smalley and his wife Aaron and we're

gonna hear now from Kirsten Samuel and her husband Dave. They talked with Jim

Daley and me about when they hit a really dark season in life. Now they shared

in previous episodes how Dave struggled with a pornography addiction and Kirsten

realized afterwards that she hadn't dealt with some traumatic abuse she

experienced as a nine-year-old. Kirsten in your book, choosing a way out, you

refer to yourself as a good Christian girl and I think this is the right

place for that question. How did you manage those two kind of opposite ends of

the you're just trying to be this good Christian girl probably trying to get

clean from your nine-year-old experience I would think like no actually I was

completely ignoring it just I had shut it off and it was like I'm fine I don't

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