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You encounter a problem in your marriage. You start getting help and for a moment

it seems like there's light. It's going to work. But as soon as you start to feel

a glimmer of hope, something else happens and then you're right back where

you started is hope even possible in those moments. You're going to hear about

a couple that experience that very rollercoaster in their relationship in

just a moment. I'm John Fuller along with Greg and Aaron Smalley. They lead our

marriage department here at Focus and let's go ahead and hear from Dave and

Kirsten Samuel, their former colleagues at Focus on the Family and in previous

episodes they shared how Dave confessed he was addicted to pornography which

of course deeply hurt Kirsten. That event later set off a chain reaction in

their marriage and here's Jim Daley with more. I think for most people you know

when they're asked a question do you have a good friend? Many people certainly

men say no. So describe even the idea of a team of people that were there to help

you. I mean that most people probably would not have that. How did you

recognize it? How did you formulate it and who came to your rescue? Well like I

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