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Politics Unpacked

Where Are The Grown Ups?

Politics Unpacked

Anna Covell

News & Politics, Politics, News

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 27 October 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

The Home Office is squandering billions of pounds on asylum hotels in another damaging story for the government. Can Labour still call themselves the "grown ups in the room"? 


Calum Macdonald unpacks the politics of the day with Seb Payne and Charlotte Ivers


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0:00.0

I'm Callow MacDonald and we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day over the course of the next little while, including, bear with me on this, whether Reform UK MP Sarah Pochin is approaching, being a problem for Nigel Farage.

0:19.5

How you'd react if you got a text from Sir Keir Starmor that read, Can We Have a Beer? And later we'll be talking about Lily Allen's new album as well. So here are two people from the Times and the Sunday Times that always make me smile. It's a Lily Allen song, said, P. Yeah, I got that. That's what I was just checking. Yeah, I got that. Charlotte Ivers all over that chat.

0:38.2

Yeah, I actually didn't get that.

0:39.9

But now it's been, I love a joke where when it's explained, you go, oh, yeah.

0:42.8

Yeah, that's the best type of joke. That's what we were going for. Lovely to see you both, incidentally. Thanks for being here. Right, let's focus on the Home Office first of all, shall we?

0:51.8

After one of the migrants flown to France in the government's one-in, one-out scheme returned in a small boat,

0:57.5

an asylum-seeker. the Home Office, first of all, shall we? After one of the migrants flown to France in the government's

0:54.7

one-in-one-out scheme returned in a small boat, an asylum seeker sex offender was accidentally

1:00.1

released from prison and then re-arrested, and now a report by MPs reveals that Home Office

1:05.1

incompetence has squandered billions of pounds on asylum hotels. Let's have a listen to the housing secretary,

1:11.7

Steve Reid, speaking to Times Radio Breakfast and defending the government's record. The Home Secretary,

1:16.9

who's been in post for about six weeks so far, is looking at the entire system to see what we can do.

1:22.5

She is committed, as the government is, to ending the use of hotels well before the full term of this Parliament

1:29.5

comes to an end. She's been looking at how we can use army bases, for instance, to put people

1:35.1

that would be a much cheaper option. We've already saved a billion pounds by increasing the

1:40.6

number of caseworkers at the Home Office dealing with these applications so we can get through them quicker.

1:46.7

But we did inherit a completely broken system.

1:51.0

Yeah, fine, I suppose, Seb. That might be true, but it's not got better.

1:55.9

No, it certainly hasn't.

1:57.1

And it's one of those days in politics of when it rains it pause that it feels like

2:01.8

the whole sort of justice immigration crime system is completely collapsing in front of our eyes

2:07.4

and for reasons of kind of built up pressure typical british incompetence and i think political

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