Welcome once again everyone to the Conversations that Matter podcast and your host is always John Harris here with a first time guest on the program Seth Gruber

Seth has actually has been I don't know how we got connected, but he's been sending me encouraging

texts for quite some time and I appreciate his ministry, he's a speaker, his podcast is unabordered, and he has a new organization called the White Rose Resistance. You can find out more about that at the White Rose dot life the White Rose dot life or you can go to Seth Groober.com, that's Groober with an ER at the end and you can check out some of his work there and it's mostly on the pro life movement.

So thank you very much Seth for joining me. I appreciate it.

Yeah, don't think thank you brother. I've been a long time fan. I think you are the

Ezekiel watchman son of Isakar, for the fault lines in the church today.

And I only hope and pray that your podcast and channel quadruples its impact and reach because I haven't found anywhere

quite the level of moral spiritual and historical clarity on these culture

wars which are religious spiritual, then your voice. And so grateful for you,

brother. So thank you for the invitation. Yeah, that's very nice of you to say, Seth. I didn't pay him to say that either, so it's's very very kind when it's freely given like that.

Well I want to talk to you a little bit about what's going on with the church right now and the

evangelical church in particular,

and we can see where this goes.

Maybe we'll get into other arenas,

but as it relates to this overturn of Rovi Wade,

because even I was surprised,

I've been tracking evangelicalism for the last few years and written now, you know, two books trying to track kind of where

evangelicalism's at and even I was thinking as compromise as I've seen evangelical elites be. I thought, man, they're going to celebrate

when Rovi weighs overturned, like that's going to be a really big moment for everyone. Right, right. And I was shocked to see how many evangelical elites were very quick to jump on Nicholas

Sandman. They were very quick to jump on the whole George Floyd issue, very quick to jump on the whole George Floyd issue very quick to jump on

Kyle Rittenhouse. We all remember that. Roby Wade's overturned and it's almost

crickets out there explain Explain this to me.

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