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When his marriage helped you to be a better person, I love my wife's spontaneity. It was one of the

things that attracted me to, Dina, is she would just say, well, let's try.

Let's go ahead.

We don't have a plan, but let's go find out.

That's so stresses me.

Well, I'm a firstborn and I want to have a plan.

So she has helped me see what's the worst that happens.

I mean, let's try it.

So there have been some moments that maybe that wasn't the best, but I really appreciate that

about her empowering me to really grab onto adventure. Well, I'm John Fuller with Greg and Aaron

Smalley, who lead the Focus Marriage team, and we're going to turn now to a clip from Focus on

the family with Jim Daly. Jim and his wife, Gene, were in the studio with Greg and Aaron

talking about how marriage has helped them to grow, and they talk about the different seasons of love.

The other couple that I'll just quickly mention, we'll move on, is your love will change.

Kind of that acknowledgement. For me, that's like expectations. I'm kind of tough on that. I mean, I tend to have

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