Hey, you'll, welcome back to the Don't Mom Alone podcast.

I'm your host, Heather McFaddean, and this is the place where I get to walk alongside you

and connect you with people and resources so you know that you don't mom alone.

And in this episode number 567, I'm welcoming back to the show,

my friend Kirby Kelly. I think about even, like you said, within like the tabernacle and the

temple, it's like there was this veil of separation. And that was torn so that we could be mended to God. Like there was a tearing of fabric

so that there could be a stitching of fabric of hope in our lives where we could be tethered to God.

That when we have our wise, we can actually know this who, not just know about him, but run to

him and him show up for us in the middle of our sorrow and suffering.

Like, I feel like the cross is so twofold in the sense of Jesus bore our sin and our shame and

redeemed that, but him being a suffering servant who is well acquainted with grief.

That is how he is described in scripture. Like, yes, he's the Prince of Peace,

the Alpha and the Omega. Exactly. It's like he empathizes more than anyone that he also

bore our sorrow and our suffering on that cross so that he could bring redemption, hope,

real peace, real joy to our own lives as we trust in him.

Years ago, I used to watch Kirby post her inspiring videos on social media. And back then,

she was a college student. Since then, she has received her master's, gotten married,

and is now pregnant with her first child.

She is an inspiration.

She's gone through a lot, and you'll hear that at the beginning of this interview, and why she is someone we can trust to talk about suffering and to talk about what you do when life doesn't just hand you lemons but keeps throwing them at your

face. She has a new book called The Fabric of Hope. She talks about how she turned to

scripture to find hope in a season that felt unbearable. And for you, if you're in the

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