WHEN XI MISLED POTUS: 3/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century by Josh Rogin (Author)
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🗓️ 24 December 2023
⏱️ 11 minutes
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https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Under-Heaven-Twenty-First-Century/dp/0358393248
By the time the COVID-19 pandemic erupted in Wuhan, Trump’s love-hate relationship with Xi had sparked a trade war, while Xi’s aggression had pushed the world to the brink of a new Cold War. But their quarrel had also forced a long-overdue reckoning within the United States over China’s audacious foreign-influence operations, horrific human rights abuses, and creeping digital despotism. Ironically, this awakening was one of the biggest foreign-policy victories of Trump’s fractious term in office.
Filled with shocking revelations drawn from Josh Rogin’s unparalleled access to top U.S. officials from the White House and deep within the country’s foreign policy machine, Chaos Under Heaven reveals an administration at war with itself during perhaps our most urgent hour.
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| 0:48.0 | Trump Shee and the Battle for the 21st Century. 2017 sets the scale of the operation for the Trump |
| 0:56.2 | administration. We have competing factions within large personalities. |
| 1:00.7 | 2017 ends with Donald Trump traveling to Asia. personalities. Republic of China and also mixing in the fact that Wall Street has ambitions to continue |
| 1:15.8 | to invest and profit in China. |
| 1:18.2 | It's a giant market. |
| 1:19.8 | However, now we have to introduce and something I learned about for the first time in Josh's book, |
| 1:26.8 | the bingo club. Josh, what is the bingo club? |
| 1:30.4 | The bingo club was a group of government officials, congressional staffers, experts, and even a couple journalists who met secretly in Washington in 20, beginning in 2017 and 2018 to discuss Chinese malign foreign influence and interference in America. and we talk about quite openly but in that time and space it was something that no part |
| 1:55.2 | of the US government was pointed at and that nobody was really discussing in public |
| 1:59.4 | and because of that this group had a huge influence on not only how the US government operated |
| 2:05.3 | when looking for and then dealing with instances of Chinese Communist Party interference |
| 2:11.5 | and influence operations, but it also had a big sort of, you know, impact on sort of how those issues |
| 2:20.7 | eventually spelled out into various parts of our policy, especially in Congress. |
| 2:25.2 | And you know, the fact that that group had to meet in secret just tells you about sort of what the discussion |
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