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The Wargame

When The Grey Zone Becomes A War Zone | Grey Zone Ep 8

The Wargame

Sky News

News, Documentary, Society & Culture

4.51.1K Ratings

🗓️ 1 March 2021

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

What happens when the grey zone becomes a war zone and what might future wars look like, with hypersonic missiles, artificial intelligence and cyber changing calculations?These are questions Sky News journalist Deborah Haynes explores in this episode, in part, by looking at Russia’s annexation of Crimea and the conflict in eastern Ukraine.She also talks to General Sir Nick Carter, the head of Britain’s armed forces, about what he thinks is the gravest threat to the UK and about how the military is adapting to operate in the grey zone.Guests:General Sir Nick Carter, Chief of the Defence StaffGeneral Sir Richard Barrons, former head of Joint Command, now Strategic CommandEmine Dzhaparova , First Deputy Foreign Minister of UkraineSergei Markov, political scientist and former member of the Russian parliamentKeir Giles, senior consulting fellow at Chatham HouseOrysia Lutsevych, head and research fellow, Ukraine Forum, Russia and Eurasia Programme, Chatham HouseCredits:Written and narrated by Deborah Haynes Edited and produced by Chris ScottProduction support from Sophia McBide and Michael GreenfieldThe Head of Sky News Radio is Dave Terris

Transcript

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0:00.0

The invasion of Crimea started with an information attack.

0:06.0

News reports seemingly designed to turn local residents against Ukraine and towards Russia.

0:13.0

So information radiation or information influence or the narratives or the information warfare also influences our hearts and minds.

0:22.6

Then came the proxy forces with pro-Kremlin biker groups and volunteers mobilized to protect

0:29.6

ethnic Russians from what they claimed was a threat posed by Ukrainian nationalists.

0:35.6

These façade groups that we were talking about,

0:38.5

Cossacks, a Russian community of Crimea,

0:41.6

they would create the appearance of a local uprising.

0:45.2

Finally, came the Russian forces,

0:48.0

they were without markings on their uniforms.

0:50.2

They definitely look like some kind of commandos

0:53.1

from a thriller movie.

0:55.0

They were really big men properly dressed.

0:58.0

It did not look like anything of the local self-defense as they were presented.

1:03.0

Analysts called them Russia's Little Green Men,

1:06.0

though President Vladimir Putin initially denied his troops were involved in the unrest.

1:14.6

It created enough of a grey zone to prevent many Western politicians in early 2014

1:22.6

from fully grasping until it was too late what was going on in Crimea, even as these Russia-backed forces

1:31.0

took control of airports, military sites and the parliament.

1:36.5

A referendum was rushed through, in which residents voted for accession to the Russian

1:41.4

Federation.

1:42.4

I had a feeling that someone actually crushed my house, turned it over,

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