I'm Michelle Goldberg.

I'm Frank Bruney, and this is the argument.

Before we start, Michelle and I want to congratulate Ross on the newest member of his family.

He posted a picture of baby Rose Mary on Twitter, totally adorable.

You can take a look for yourself.

Ross's Twitter handle is at Doubtit NYT.

That's DOU-THATNYT.

OK, on with a show.

Ross is still out on leave this week, but Yuval Levin is joining us to talk about fake news,

real facts, and what both mean for public health.

People tend to think that the expert is just a person with information,

and so now information is available anywhere, and so anybody can be an expert.

But an expert is a person with experience.

From the very start of his administration, President Trump has shrugged off expertise.

He's outright mocked experts, and he has shown special disregard for science.

Even more dangerous, he has frequently presented fiction as fact.

Now, that habit is front and center, and it has greater stakes than ever.

I see the disinfectant, but knocks it out in a minute, one minute,

and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning?

How can a president who dabbles in junk science guide us through a public health crisis of this magnitude?

Yuval Levin is here to help us answer that.

Michelle and I invited him because he's one of the most thoughtful, cool headed conservatives

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