We live in a society where race trumps merit.

American companies are more interested in meeting diversity

quotas than hiring the best and the most talented people.

So how soon will it be until we have surgeons

who don't know how to operate?

Pilots who can't fly.

And what are the dangers of it all?

New York Times best selling author, Heather McDonald,

joins me to talk about her new book

when a race trumps merit.

Here's Heather.

Heather, I always love having you on the show.

You're always willing to have conversations

that everyone else is afraid of,

but the conversations you're willing to have

are the ones we need to have.

So I appreciate what you do.

And also I'm excited to talk to you about this new book

when race trumps merit.

Lisa, it's such a pleasure to be with you

and you're one of the great interviewers out there.

So thank you for helping me on.

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