loyalty in most cases it's considered a virtue but what happens when a pastor demands unquestioning loyalty from his staff or else when would you fire someone this loyalty instant,

immediate.

Never to be redeemed. Never.

That's Texas megachurch pastor Ed Young Jr., interviewing at Bashaf, founder and senior pastor

one of the largest megachurch networks in the world. Boshoff's Christian Revival Church in South Africa

boasts more than 90 churches and 120,000 members worldwide.

And if you want to work for him, he says jump, and you say, how high.

A guy that did a leadership, a meeting in my place, and his opening statement was,

well, praise the Lord,

we are here for Jesus, we are not yet to serve a man. That was the last meeting he had.

The last meeting, he was out on his bicycle. I got rid of him.

I understand. Because he has the reality. You can go serve the Lord under the tree.

But if you come in the house, you're under the authority of the house,

and you're under the man of God, and you're under the man of God, you serve the man of God,

and if you cannot serve the one that you see, you cannot serve the one Jesus who we cannot see. The clips you just heard are from a 2015 C3 conference, an annual two-day event hosted by Ed and Lisa Young at their fellowship church

in the Dallas-Grapevine area. But last month, these cliffs sparked backlash online by

people like Attorney Boz Tavidion, who said, this isn't loyalty, it's enforced silence. Yet others

came to Boshoff's defense saying, we don't have the

entire context of what happened, and I believe this is taken out of context with Pastor at

Boschoff's video. Well, in this podcast, I'll play the full context of the clips so you can judge for

yourself. And joining me will be Lance Ford, Director of Restoration Resources at the Roy's

Report. We'll out discern what at Moshoff is really communicating. We'll also discuss what to make

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