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WHEN GAMBLING WAS A CRIME: 3/4: Smalltime: A Story of My Family and the Mob. by Russell Shorto (Author)

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John Batchelor

Society & Culture, Arts, News, Books

4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 10 March 2024

⏱️ 11 minutes

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WHEN GAMBLING WAS A CRIME: 3/4: Smalltime: A Story of My Family and the Mob. by Russell Shorto (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Smalltime-Story-My-Family-Mob/dp/0393245586/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

Family secrets emerge as a best-selling author dives into the history of the mob in small-town America.

Smalltime is a mob story straight out of central casting―but with a difference, for the small-town mob, which stretched from Schenectady to Fresno, is a mostly unknown world. The location is the brawny postwar factory town of Johnstown, Pennsylvania. The setting is City Cigar, a storefront next to City Hall, behind which Russ and his brother-in-law, “Little Joe,” operate a gambling empire and effectively run the town.

1907 HARRISBURG, PENNSYLVANIA

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0:45.4

and the mob. It's also a story of America on a migration to enterprise to criminalityity to transforming the landscape to memory.

0:57.0

That's where we are in the 21st century.

0:59.0

It is now the late 1930s.

1:01.0

Millie and Joe are together after Joe does a time in bars. Millie goes

1:09.4

to takes him home to Johnstown. She doesn't like Philadelphia. It's too

1:12.9

big, it's too noisy. Joe is now partnering with Russell and their

1:19.4

partnership will be extremely successful.

1:23.0

Russell, I want to understand these partnerships.

1:25.2

They were never independent agents.

1:27.7

It seemed that they were always connected to larger and larger versions of themselves.

1:33.0

So Joe Regina and Russell Shorto, they will find an enterprise called City Cigar, but they don't

1:41.2

do that independent of larger organized crime.

1:46.0

Do they relate to Philadelphia or Pittsburgh at this point?

1:49.0

How is Johnstown connected to the web of organized crime.

1:55.0

Yeah, but Johnstown was connected to Pittsburgh and then Pittsburgh was connected to New York.

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