Welcome to the intersection of faith and culture.

Thanks for joining us on the wallbuilder show, taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective.

Rick Green here with David Barden and Tim Barton.

And a little later, our friend Jim Garlo is going to join us.

Well versed is the name of the ministry now started as a book, now the name of the ministry.

And wow, guys, I think we've done stuff with Garlo for 20, no, maybe 25 years.

David, maybe longer than that for you.

I don't know why you asked me about long eight times. As somebody, I asked Tim, ask you,

why do you go to me with long dates? Well, I don't remember what was happening in Wall Builders 20

plus whatever years ago when I was in college. So it's going to have to be. Now, I do know,

Dad, you and Garlo wrote a book back. I think it was leading into,

was this leading into President Trump's first term as president in his election? When did

you all write that book together? I think it was 2016 thereabouts. Immigration is a big issue.

Israel was a big issue. We had six big issues,

and here we are now eight years later, and those six issues are still relevant. So that book

was written at a point in time where that you had real decisions to make between where we wanted

to head with those six issues, and those decisions are still out there to be made today well i was

going to say it's it's not like those it's not still a relevant book because we're having so much

of the same conversation and had the advice from that book been followed back then we wouldn't be

having some of the problems we're having today although guys guys, this is a side note, although Jim would

speak to this very well in addition, but, you know, navigating where we are today, again,

dad, had we listened to, had more Americans read the book that you and Jim did, and follow

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