Welcome to the intersection of faith and culture.

Thanks for joining us on the Wild Builders show today.

Taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective.

And today's topic is education.

And of course, all three of those areas, those perspectives.

We can learn a lot about

how education should work. I'm Rick Green here with David Barton and Tim Barton. And of course,

Tim and I were just with our guests doing some filming for a new special coming out for

American Family Association. So Stephen McDowell is going to be with us a little later and had

a great time with him in the museum, Tim.

Well, we did.

And it's also worth noting.

He's a Wall Builders board member and has been for longer than I've been part of Wall Builders.

I think that 30-something years you've been with Steve McDow.

I mean, I've been around Wall Builders for sure.

But you've known Steve, I guess really their whole family, for a lot of years.

30-something years, isn't that right? Yeah, I would say 30-something years. I think we go back to 88 or 89 is when we got connected. So, yeah, it goes back a while. And, you know, Steve's been really amazing.

He has researched and studied so much on American history early, but he's taking the

principles to nations all over the world, which is what's amazing about what he does.

Yeah, and one of the things, too, Dad, that we have benefited greatly, just like, I mean, guys, for all of us, we have friends that operate

in the world, whether it be political or the biblical, the historic areas of America. We have a lot

of friends that do a lot of this kind of stuff. Steve McDowell is one of those unique guys, a little bit

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