Welcome to the 309th episode of objectively speaking.

I'm JAG CEO of the Atlas Society.

I'm very excited to have returning guests, Professor God Saad,

join us to talk about his fabulous new book,

Suicidal Empathy, Dying to Be Kind.

Gad, thanks for joining us.

So good to be with you again, Jack.

And, of course, thank you for also joining us at Galtz Gulch in San Diego.

The students gave very high marks to that discussion.

For those who have been living under Iraq, you may not,

you might need another. Refresher, Dr. Saad is a professor and an evolutionary behavioral scientist.

He previously joined us on objectively speaking to discuss his last book, The Parasitic Mind,

how infectious ideas are killing common sense. So God, is suicidal empathy one of those

infectious ideas or is it an evolutionary impulse that's gone haywire. That's a great question.

So it's the parasitic ideas that eventually lead to the proclivity for suicidal empathy.

That's why I'm so glad that in the introduction, you referenced both the parasitic mind and

suicidal empathy because they're really collectively part of a singular narrative.

We are both a thinking and a feeling animal.

In order for someone to hijack your capacity to reason,

they have to hijack both your cognitive system and your affective system.

The parasitic mind described what happens to your cognitive system

when it is parasitized, and then I complete the story by explaining what happens once you're

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