When Caring Becomes Counterculture
The David Frum Show
The Atlantic
4.6 • 2.4K Ratings
🗓️ 25 February 2026
⏱️ 60 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, and welcome to the David Frum show. I'm David Frum, a staff writer at the Atlantic. |
| 0:16.7 | My guest this week will be Tim Miller, host of the Ballworks Daily podcast. My literary topic this week won't be a book. |
| 0:22.7 | It will be a discussion of the ritual and performance of the state of the union address. |
| 0:27.2 | And I will get to that after the interview with Tim Miller. |
| 0:30.4 | But first, some opening thoughts on the dramatic recent events. |
| 0:34.6 | There are so many that one can hardly begin to tally them all. |
| 0:37.4 | I record this podcast the day |
| 0:39.5 | before the president is to deliver the state of the union address. You will see it or hear it at the |
| 0:45.2 | earliest, the morning after the president gives the state of the union address. So you will know more |
| 0:50.1 | than I do about what happens. I have no idea, although I can make some guesses. I'm going to |
| 0:55.1 | guess there's going to be a lot of ranting and raving in the state of the union address about the |
| 0:59.3 | Supreme Court and the recent tariff decision. And one of the questions that should spring to mind |
| 1:05.5 | is why is the president so very, very upset the Supreme Court struck down the tariffs he's been announcing |
| 1:12.9 | over the past year. I mean, I get it. No one likes to lose. This is an important issue for him, |
| 1:17.0 | but it's not like he doesn't have recourse. He continues to hold a majority in both House and Senate. |
| 1:23.0 | The Supreme Court has said your tariff measures would be fine if they came from Congress. |
| 1:27.3 | You just can't do them alone. |
| 1:29.1 | Why not announce in the state of the union? I've drafted a tariff bill. I'm sending it to Congress tomorrow. |
| 1:35.5 | I look forward to you enacting it at your earliest convenience. There are enough Republicans, enough in this House and Senate, and there's some anti-trade Democrats, you might get a majority. |
| 1:45.7 | Why not just pass the bill and do it the legal way that the Supreme Court pointed out to him? |
| 1:50.5 | Why is he falling back instead on all these convoluted other schemes for using imaginary balance of |
| 1:56.4 | payments crises, which don't really exist anymore in a day of floating exchange rates, |
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