When Americans Are Abducted Overseas (with Jere Van Dyk) - Change Agents with Andy Stumpf

Change Agents with Andy Stumpf

IRONCLAD

Society & Culture

4.8 • 607 Ratings

🗓️ 25 July 2023

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Partners: HVMN – You can find Ketone-IQ at https://hvmn.com/changeagents to save 30% on your first subscription. Jere Van Dyk is a Pulitzer-nominated journalist and U.S. Army Veteran. While working as a correspondent for The New York Times, he was embedded with the Mujahideen during their fight with the Soviet Union. He returned to Afghanistan after 9/11 as a CBS News reporter, and in 2006 he became the only journalist to go up into the mountains near the Pakistan border to the site where U.S. Army Ranger, Pat Tillman, was killed. His professional journey took a turn in 2008 — he was traveling through the Tribal Areas of Pakistan, in its borderlands with Afghanistan, and was held captive for 45 days. The incident is recounted in his critically acclaimed book, "Captive: My Time as a Prisoner of the Taliban" https://www.amazon.com/Captive-Jere-Van-Dyk/dp/080508827X/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr= Years later, while researching links among the Haqqani Network, ISIS, the Taliban, al-Qaeda, and the Council on Foreign Relations, he returned to the area to find who was responsible for his kidnapping. This trip inspired his book, "The Trade: My Journey into the Labyrinth of Political Kidnapping." https://www.amazon.com/Trade-Journey-Labyrinth-Political-Kidnapping/dp/1610394313 Subscribe to the podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/change-agents-with-andy-stumpf/id1677415740 Without Borders: The Haqqani Network and the Road to Kabul https://www.amazon.com/Without-Borders-Haqqani-Network-Kabul/dp/1680538659 Change Agents is an IRONCLAD original. Partners: HVMN – You can find Ketone-IQ at https://hvmn.com/changeagents to save 30% on your first subscription. Shop IRONCLAD Apparel: https://shop.thisisironclad.com/ Change Agents is an IRONCLAD original. Visit https://www.thisisironclad.com to learn more. Be sure to subscribe to @thisisironclad on YouTube and major social platforms. Follow us on Social - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisisironclad Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThisIsIRONCLAD#changeagents #Andystumpf #ironclad Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	And all of a sudden, I saw a piece of black move from behind a rock.
0:06.0	I stopped.
0:07.0	I said, that's not a sheep.
0:09.0	That's not a goat.
0:10.0	And then that piece of black rose, and it was a black turban.
0:16.0	He raised his rifle.
0:18.0	Twelve men came roaring down the mountain, running down the mountains, spread out like an Indian movie.
0:24.6	And, can I, can't, can't, get down, get down.
0:27.6	And one had a walkie-talkie, and I said, this, that's a sophisticated piece of equipment there.
0:32.6	Where does that come from?
0:34.6	And he came right up to me, and I'm trying to pass as an Afghan. I can never be seen as an American because what became so a big part of my case, which motivated a lot of people, was I was the next American journalist kidnapped in Pakistan after Daniel Curl.
0:57.0	How can I help?
1:00.0	How can I be useful in ending needless suffering?
1:03.0	Do not be afraid of work that has no end.
1:09.0	We have to organize a social movement.
1:13.5	We have an opportunity to lead by example
1:15.9	versus just talking, hot air.
1:19.4	I think the more people in this fight,
1:21.5	the more we grow, eventually it could change.
1:24.1	The people are the ones that can make the change.
1:30.3	Good morning, everybody, and welcome back to Change Agents, an Ironclad original.
1:35.9	My guest today is Jerry Van Dyke, and he has a very interesting experience, personal experience,
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